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Quote Cronus="Cronus"Some bizarre statements on here: he was imitating Inglis, McLean is a scapegoat, the ref should have stopped the tackle, it's just as much the NRL's fault...
As for the tackle, doesn't matter if it was marginal or not. He was tipped over and his neck has been broken. Simple as that. He tucked his head because he was about to be driven head-first into the turf. There was nothing he could do but try and move his head out the way - an instinctive survival reaction - which of course led to his neck bearing the weight of the impact with the ground.
As for McLean, as I've said there's no way he would have intended such an injury, but he was lifting to send a message of domination to his opponent. The ban is about right for me. It was an illegal tackle but the terrible outcome was accidental. However, it was still an accident brought on by their actions.
As for all these hundreds of similar unpunished tackles we apparently see go unpunished in the NRL (ie, the attacker being lifted past the horizontal), I'd love to see a few of them, because whenever I see someone tipped over head-first, there is generally a penalty or worse. It's an easy bandwagon to jump on, but in reality that just isn't the truth.'"
Try watching a few more games. The Melbourne - Newcastle game in which this incident took place had several identical tackles from both sets of defenders. This only doesn't happen all the time if you only count tackles that look spectacular or result in broken necks as tackles that go beyond the horizontal. Every serious person knows that the 3rd man in regularly lifts the legs and players regularly go past the horizontal.
The problem I think for a lot of people, yourself included, is that if there was no injury and no slow-motion replays of the incident in question you wouldn't have noticed it in the first place. Therefore it's futile to cite the tens of other examples that happen on a game by game basis.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYx_AkSVWvI (a week after, wasn't suspended)
And here's a couple of pics I found online from this round of games. Baring in mind Getty Images maybe has pics from 20 tackles for each game - if you were to look at snapshots of every single tackle you'd find an untold number of tackles past the horizontal.
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Quote Cronus="Cronus"Some bizarre statements on here: he was imitating Inglis, McLean is a scapegoat, the ref should have stopped the tackle, it's just as much the NRL's fault...
As for the tackle, doesn't matter if it was marginal or not. He was tipped over and his neck has been broken. Simple as that. He tucked his head because he was about to be driven head-first into the turf. There was nothing he could do but try and move his head out the way - an instinctive survival reaction - which of course led to his neck bearing the weight of the impact with the ground.
As for McLean, as I've said there's no way he would have intended such an injury, but he was lifting to send a message of domination to his opponent. The ban is about right for me. It was an illegal tackle but the terrible outcome was accidental. However, it was still an accident brought on by their actions.
As for all these hundreds of similar unpunished tackles we apparently see go unpunished in the NRL (ie, the attacker being lifted past the horizontal), I'd love to see a few of them, because whenever I see someone tipped over head-first, there is generally a penalty or worse. It's an easy bandwagon to jump on, but in reality that just isn't the truth.'"
Try watching a few more games. The Melbourne - Newcastle game in which this incident took place had several identical tackles from both sets of defenders. This only doesn't happen all the time if you only count tackles that look spectacular or result in broken necks as tackles that go beyond the horizontal. Every serious person knows that the 3rd man in regularly lifts the legs and players regularly go past the horizontal.
The problem I think for a lot of people, yourself included, is that if there was no injury and no slow-motion replays of the incident in question you wouldn't have noticed it in the first place. Therefore it's futile to cite the tens of other examples that happen on a game by game basis.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYx_AkSVWvI (a week after, wasn't suspended)
And here's a couple of pics I found online from this round of games. Baring in mind Getty Images maybe has pics from 20 tackles for each game - if you were to look at snapshots of every single tackle you'd find an untold number of tackles past the horizontal.
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| Quote ChrisGS="ChrisGS"But the point is they might as well be let go. What's a penalty - assuming there is a penalty, I still contend in a lot of cases there isn't - without a suspension, preferably a significant suspension. Is it any sort of deterrent? Not really. If it was a genuine deterrent then these tackles wouldn't be frequently found in every game.
The NRL doesn't take them seriously and it's a joke that McLean received 7 weeks, all things considered. The number of incidents that have happened after the fact (and there's threads about this on Australian forums if you want to look) shows that the NRL care nothing about said tackles. They've scapegoated the Melbourne player and really ought to be ashamed of themselves for how they've handled the entire affair - and how they've conducted themselves prior to the injury.
I don't know how you could take any position other than the NRL are idiots and the punishment to McLean is excessive given how the judiciary usually turn a blind eye to those tackles.'"
You do know the NRL Judiciary, rightly or wrongly, take the severity of the injury into account when deciding punishments? He was charged with a Grade 2 dangerous throw (325 demerit points), and received 400 demerit points for the severity of the injury. With 100 points equalling 1 week suspension, there's your 7 weeks. Hardly a scapegoat when you break it down.
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| Quote OzWelsh="OzWelsh"Regarding A McKinnon, I'm sure he'll walk again, Gwyn Jones can, and it looked a similar injury.'"
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One of the most sickening injuries I've ever had the misfortune of seeing in sport. I really really wish I hadn't watched it. It almost goes without saying that wish all the best for McKinnon, but I'll also spare a thought for McClean. Unless he is a stone cold 'person without a father' then he must be in pieces about it.
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Some really positive reports coming out in the last 24hrs and an emotional but positive vid of Alex online too. Still a long way to go for him and best not to get too carried away but he has feeling to his legs which is still a massive improvement on a few weeks ago.
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| Quote Nomad81="Nomad81"Some really positive reports coming out in the last 24hrs and an emotional but positive vid of Alex online too. Still a long way to go for him and best not to get too carried away but he has feeling to his legs which is still a massive improvement on a few weeks ago.'"
Good to see him at Anzac Stadium this morning.
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