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Or thane:I absolutely hate this, not Liam Knight as i'd be happy with him here, what i hate is that Burgess wasn't interested in the first place.He's knows him, has played with him, would have known he was available but wasn't interested, now he's playing really well Burgess is suddenly interested in poaching him. My confidence in Burgess has disintegrated very quickly, and he seems deluded and panicky with things he's doing. If we sign Him we should get rid of Musgrove and keep Vaughan. Byrne, Knight, Vaughan, Harrison, Yates, Philbin & Wood looks pretty solid, Crowther as back up possibly as well. Dan Russell i had a good feeling about, then saw him play and oh dear, not his fault but he's more championship level. We need 2 new good props minimum, and Either Play leyland or let him go. And just move on from Russell, and hopefully Lindop and Wrench both stay fit and keep developing. I like king, nothing fancy but is a workhorse centre and makes more yards and gets us on the front foot more than our props at times. And only costing 50k on the cap is a BIG plus, but the fact we haven't re-signed him already suggests he's on his way out. To be fair on Burgess didn't Knight only become available mid season when we had no quota spots left? Whether we should have filled that last spot with Russell is obviously the question we all know the answer to, its left our hands tied - maybe we would have been in a better position to bring Amone in if we had that flexibility of a free spot. Bringing in Russell certainly seems panic stations after losing Bateman & Nicholson, keeping our powder dry would have seemed the better option. King at £50k on the cap works well for his current contract, but I'm sure his next deal will be lower so the benefit is reduced, maybe having Walker / Ashton on £100k cap or Currie on £50k cap may work just as well. I'd keep King, but his salary has to be right and as you say Lindop should be considered first choice centre next year on his preferred side. Wrench I think at this stage can only be considered a back up given his injury issues of the past two years. |
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Or thane:I absolutely hate this, not Liam Knight as i'd be happy with him here, what i hate is that Burgess wasn't interested in the first place.He's knows him, has played with him, would have known he was available but wasn't interested, now he's playing really well Burgess is suddenly interested in poaching him. My confidence in Burgess has disintegrated very quickly, and he seems deluded and panicky with things he's doing. If we sign Him we should get rid of Musgrove and keep Vaughan. Byrne, Knight, Vaughan, Harrison, Yates, Philbin & Wood looks pretty solid, Crowther as back up possibly as well. Dan Russell i had a good feeling about, then saw him play and oh dear, not his fault but he's more championship level. We need 2 new good props minimum, and Either Play leyland or let him go. And just move on from Russell, and hopefully Lindop and Wrench both stay fit and keep developing. I like king, nothing fancy but is a workhorse centre and makes more yards and gets us on the front foot more than our props at times. And only costing 50k on the cap is a BIG plus, but the fact we haven't re-signed him already suggests he's on his way out. To be fair on Burgess didn't Knight only become available mid season when we had no quota spots left? Whether we should have filled that last spot with Russell is obviously the question we all know the answer to, its left our hands tied - maybe we would have been in a better position to bring Amone in if we had that flexibility of a free spot. Bringing in Russell certainly seems panic stations after losing Bateman & Nicholson, keeping our powder dry would have seemed the better option. King at £50k on the cap works well for his current contract, but I'm sure his next deal will be lower so the benefit is reduced, maybe having Walker / Ashton on £100k cap or Currie on £50k cap may work just as well. I'd keep King, but his salary has to be right and as you say Lindop should be considered first choice centre next year on his preferred side. Wrench I think at this stage can only be considered a back up given his injury issues of the past two years. | |
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| Wires71:Smiffy27:Or thane:Wouldn't blame him if he went, and would show how crap we are. 1 year extention on reduced terms, dear god. If he does go we're goosed in the forwards next year, Liam Byrne isn't as good as Vaughan so isn't a like for like swap. So we'd need 2 big solid props and can't attract any, yeah unless we're gonna pull a magic prop out the hat we'll be even weaker next year  Never an easy decision. 35 next year ... so 2 year deal is risky. Don't really think it shows much about us really. How old is Ratchford? We are discussing the possible signing a front line prop, Vaughan, aged 35 next April on a two year deal. Players fade at very different rates. One year extensions safest for us but you can't always get what you want. I am sure there are some examples of props at that age getting two year deals but there are going to be so many more who won't. | | | |
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The thing with Vaughan is the situation with his wife. I believe she put her career on hold to come here, signed up for 2 years and extended for another. If she wants to go home, and who could hold that against her, does Vaughan actually see out a two year deal. We could give him the contract, and spend that money on the balance sheet for 2027 but he bail out either in 27, or even in the 26/27 off season, leaving us without a prop and going to the leftover section for a starting prop at short notice.
The alternative is that we give him a year, with a planned review mid way through 2026 to see how it’s playing out both on form and on the family situation. Then commit to funding another year or progress other options for 2027 rather than be at the back of the queue and over pay in desperation.
I think it’s a sensible move from the club, and a long as both parties are open and honest, acting in good faith, there is no reason why it can’t work for both. Such as a ‘mutual option’ clause for 27 which needs to be triggered by May for example.
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The thing with Vaughan is the situation with his wife. I believe she put her career on hold to come here, signed up for 2 years and extended for another. If she wants to go home, and who could hold that against her, does Vaughan actually see out a two year deal. We could give him the contract, and spend that money on the balance sheet for 2027 but he bail out either in 27, or even in the 26/27 off season, leaving us without a prop and going to the leftover section for a starting prop at short notice.
The alternative is that we give him a year, with a planned review mid way through 2026 to see how it’s playing out both on form and on the family situation. Then commit to funding another year or progress other options for 2027 rather than be at the back of the queue and over pay in desperation.
I think it’s a sensible move from the club, and a long as both parties are open and honest, acting in good faith, there is no reason why it can’t work for both. Such as a ‘mutual option’ clause for 27 which needs to be triggered by May for example.
There is also the issue of their children`s education. York is too far to commute daily from Warrington, so a move over to Yorkshire would mean their kids would have to leave Warrington and all the friends they have made here, They would then be up-rooted again to return to Australia when his York contract expired. | | |
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Good bit of info. about the situation.
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| Smiffy27:Wires71:Smiffy27:Or thane:Wouldn't blame him if he went, and would show how crap we are. 1 year extention on reduced terms, dear god. If he does go we're goosed in the forwards next year, Liam Byrne isn't as good as Vaughan so isn't a like for like swap. So we'd need 2 big solid props and can't attract any, yeah unless we're gonna pull a magic prop out the hat we'll be even weaker next year Never an easy decision. 35 next year ... so 2 year deal is risky. Don't really think it shows much about us really. How old is Ratchford? We are discussing the possible signing a front line prop, Vaughan, aged 35 next April on a two year deal. Players fade at very different rates. One year extensions safest for us but you can't always get what you want. I am sure there are some examples of props at that age getting two year deals but there are going to be so many more who won't. Vaughan in year 2 if fading, will still be better than any other prop we have on the books. | | | |
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